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lucas's avatar
17 years ago
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i ❤ demo
i'm on my way...

just got all my albums sorted into these folders:
http://www.wingedleopard.net/lucas/images/music_sorted.png
Chiken's avatar
17 years ago
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Chiken
Don't Let Your Walls Down
an interesting way to sort the music
andyp's avatar
17 years ago
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andyp
nothing is wrong - what are you scared of?
i have no idea what any of that means
Chiken's avatar
17 years ago
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Chiken
Don't Let Your Walls Down
so lr maybe you can answer this question for me since no else really seems to be able to answer it. for some time now ive been trying to figure out why in itunes all my music can be the same volume then when i play them in winamp the volume of the track varies wildly from extremely soft to extremely loud without me touching the volume button. ive also noticed it when i make mp3 cds. i always thought it was the bit rate but even files with the same bit rate will do it.
sriehl's avatar
17 years ago
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surreal
Its the gain for each song, itunes adjusts for each song (you can turn it off in the settings). The bitrate is how much data per second is being played. . . the higher bit rate the higher quality of sound.
dannyp's avatar
17 years ago
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dʎuuɐp
yeah but also it's different audio formats

I haven't heard of apx or aps though, I'm not sure what that is all about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Lossless_Audio_Codec
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_bitrate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_bitrate
phi_'s avatar
17 years ago
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phi_
... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
Shouldn't it say "fewer than 192kbps"?
lucas's avatar
17 years ago
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lucas
i ❤ demo
> I haven't heard of apx or aps though, I'm not sure what that is all about.

they are variable bitrate Automatic Presets in LAME--Standard and Extreme.

look under the preset column here:
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title … nformation
asemisldkfj's avatar
17 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
how do you play your music? if it's not with a library-based program like iTunes, navigating those folders could get old.
lucas's avatar
17 years ago
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lucas
i ❤ demo
yeah.. it does get old. :o
asemisldkfj's avatar
17 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
haha. library ftw.

I have my stuff separated into acquired and pending folders. acquired being stuff that I own on CD and pending being stuff I don't.
asemisldkfj's avatar
17 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
oh and stuff in acquired is meticulously organized, stuff in pending is a huge mess.
rectangular's avatar
16 years ago
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rectangular
i like peanut butter
haha… "pending" sounds like you will almost buy it…
nny's avatar
16 years ago
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nny
M̮͈̣̙̰̝̃̿̎̍ͬa͉̭̥͓ț̘ͯ̈́t̬̻͖̰̞͎ͤ̇ ̈̚J̹͎̿̾ȏ̞̫͈y̭̺ͭc̦̹̟̦̭̫͊̿ͩeͥ̌̾̓ͨ
I fucking hate Itunes.
dannyp's avatar
16 years ago
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dʎuuɐp
i'm glad more people in my world don't love it
bluet's avatar
16 years ago
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bluet
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bluet's avatar
16 years ago
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bluet
- audio
    - albums
        flac albums sorted like this:
        album_artist_-_album_title/disc_nrxtrack_nr_-_track_title.flac
        example: pink_floyd_-_the_wall/2x06_-_comfortably_numb.flac
        all files tagged with: title, artist, album, year, track number, genre and disc number
        yeah, i'm a bit obsessive about my albums :)
    - lossy
        - albums
            lossy albums
        - mixtapes
            lossy mixtapes
        - singles
            just a bunch of mp3s and ogg/vorbises.
    - modules
        modules made with different trackers
    - playlists
        playlists for internet radios
    - singles
        lossless singles i.e. some piano recordings a friend of mine made
    - tmp
        music to be tagged and sorted


when i listen to music i either
- listen to one album all the way through,
- listen to a mixtape all the way through,
- listen to a radio station until i get bored or
- randomly play some singles.

easytag and metaflac help me keep my albums nice and tagged, while mplayer and mpd interprets the files into something the sound driver can understand. :)
bluet's avatar
16 years ago
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bluet
oh, and i also hate itunes, although i've never used it :D
lucas's avatar
16 years ago
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lucas
i ❤ demo
awesome, bluet is as ocd as me!
nestor's avatar
16 years ago
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nestor
nestor
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16 years ago
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nestor
nestor
switching to foobar

massive tag cleanup op in progress
Carpetsmoker's avatar
16 years ago
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Carpetsmoker
Martin
Musicbrainz picard is great for tagging stuff!
nestor's avatar
16 years ago
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nestor
nestor
only problem is i have 140gb of music to tag

musicbrainz takes too long and i have to lookup each album manually :(
nestor's avatar
16 years ago
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nestor
nestor
and it crashes when it has loaded about 75% of my library.
Carpetsmoker's avatar
16 years ago
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Carpetsmoker
Martin
It's not perfect (far from it), you can't load to many files at once, and it has quite a few bugs ... But all the other applications I tried sucked even more ...

What I did was just to tag one artist at a time, When stuff is tagged everything is moved from /nfs/music/ to /nfs/music.new/ automatically by picard ...
It takes time ... But as far as I could figure out, it was the fastest way to make sure all files were tagged properly and complete...

In any case, I doubt there any fast and easy way to tag 140GB of music automagically ... If you do find a way, I want to know!
asemisldkfj's avatar
16 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
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asemisldkfj's avatar
16 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
MP3Tag is crucial on Windows. there is nothing comparable on OS X, unfortunately.
lucas's avatar
16 years ago
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lucas
i ❤ demo
25GB of perfect v0/flac music
40GB of music to be replaced

i'm on my way...
bluet's avatar
16 years ago
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bluet
77 GiB flac sorted
74 GiB flac to be sorted
better get started
nestor's avatar
16 years ago
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nestor
nestor
are you a flac monster bluet
bluet's avatar
16 years ago
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bluet
hello, my name is bluet, and i am addicted to flac
nestor's avatar
16 years ago
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nestor
nestor
asemi is there actually nothing like mp3tag for os x?

aaaah
asemisldkfj's avatar
16 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
there really isn't. there are like two or three programs and they all suck so much it's not even funny. then there is this one that looks good but it tags like everything except for mp3s. (it's called Tag if you want to check it out for tagging flac or something.)

the first time I installed Windows in a VM it was solely for MP3Tag.
nestor's avatar
16 years ago
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nestor
nestor
i might use this. http://musicbrainz.org/doc/PicardTagger

i tried it once on windows and it scared the shit out of me though - froze and was really slow - mind you that was using an external hd.
asemisldkfj's avatar
16 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
it sucks don't do it.
asemisldkfj's avatar
16 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
actually wait I think they just recently ported that to OS X. maybe I'll try it.
nestor's avatar
16 years ago
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nestor
nestor
well i've used it before, i know what i'm getting into. and methinks it is platform-independent
asemisldkfj's avatar
16 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
yeah this kind of sucks nevermind.
asemisldkfj's avatar
16 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
song scanning doesn't work in the os x version. not that I'd want to pull all my info from Musicbrainz anyway. I don't see any way to batch edit mp3 files either.
lucas's avatar
16 years ago
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lucas
i ❤ demo
51GB of perfect v0/flac music
bluet's avatar
16 years ago
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bluet
sorted flac: 67,2 GiB
incoming flac: 74,1 GiB
even more incoming flac: ~10 GiB
even even more incoming flac: a couple gigs
lossy: ~30 GiB
nestor's avatar
15 years ago
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nestor
I'm suffering so much right now
bluet's avatar
15 years ago
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bluet
i finally got all my music into one directory:

$ du -sh /pub/1/music/
339G    /pub/1/music/

nestor's avatar
15 years ago
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nestor
nestor
I finally fixed my sorted stuff. So I have about 250GB sorted, 80GB unsorted MP3, and 150GB unsorted FLAC.
asemisldkfj's avatar
15 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
that is a pretty absurd amount of mp3s. I've only got 17 GB, mostly V0 mp3.
lucas's avatar
15 years ago
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lucas
i ❤ demo
i now have 100GB of beautifully organized albums, all v0 and flac.
Chiken's avatar
15 years ago
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Chiken
Don't Let Your Walls Down
im only about 100 GB through my 280 GB of music
bluet's avatar
15 years ago
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bluet
I managed to get down to 7.5 GiB of music. Now I can actually find stuff I want to listen to. :)
nestor's avatar
15 years ago
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nestor
nestor
nice. since four months ago i have added 80GB.
maple's avatar
15 years ago
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maple
i like large datasets
bluet you went from 340G to 7.5G?

Thats impressive.
dannyp's avatar
15 years ago
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dannyp
dʎuuɐp
I'm at about 10G in my new collection: v0 mostly.
bluet's avatar
15 years ago
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bluet
> bluet you went from 340G to 7.5G?

It probably went to 350 GiB before I started cleaning up.
asemisldkfj's avatar
15 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
I would call that something more drastic than "cleaning up"!
maple's avatar
15 years ago
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maple
i like large datasets
hah annihilating seems to be more suitable
bluet's avatar
15 years ago
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bluet
Annihilating sounds good. :)
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15 years ago
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Carpetsmoker
Martin
Organized all my music! Properly tagged, stored, indexed, and whatnot! Just over 80GB in total.

... And then I went to the interwebz and downloaded 10 more GB to be sorted :-(
Chiken's avatar
15 years ago
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Chiken
Don't Let Your Walls Down
I got all my music files sorted out by artist -> album.

now i just have to go through and fix all the tags and get rid of a few more duplicates.
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15 years ago
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Carpetsmoker
Martin
``Just'' fixing the tags isn't always that easy ...

I wrote a few script to snuff out errors and stuff, also made nice HTML page:
http://www.carpetsmoker.net/music.html
nestor's avatar
15 years ago
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nestor
nestor
foo_discogs with file operations is the best!
Chiken's avatar
15 years ago
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Chiken
Don't Let Your Walls Down
I like the web page carpetsmoker
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15 years ago
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Carpetsmoker
Martin
Thanks. Python ftw!
Chiken's avatar
15 years ago
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Chiken
Don't Let Your Walls Down
this is kind of ambitious of me but I've wanted to something like that, but also encorporate the ability to upload albums and stream the music.

alas, something for the future when I don't have to worry about school.
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15 years ago
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Carpetsmoker
Martin
Haha, then you will have work and lots of other stuff to worry about.

I used to think that I would have plenty of free time after I was done with school, I think many kids do. And they are all wrong unless they become jobless bums ;-)
asemisldkfj's avatar
15 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
I just went through my music collection with MP3Tag and deleted a few things as well. I'm at 19.4 GB of music now, and everything is arranged like so:

Artist/Album (Year)/Track - Title

I have no more ID3v1 tags. everything is ID3v2.3 and non-UTF because I've had annoying problems with it before. all track numbers have leading zeros and wherever possible have a total track count for the album. a lot of track titles are still messed up (incorrect capitalization, notation for featured artists is inconsistent) but that is for another day :). or maybe later today.
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15 years ago
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20 x 10 living
I don't have a lot of Music and a lot of my music is downloaded from Youtube and converted to MP3, all I have atm is /Music/Artist/Song - Artist

This is alright because atm I don't have a lot of songs but I might have to organise it better in the future sometimes.
asemisldkfj's avatar
13 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
this thread is due for an update.

I use rhythmbox to play my music now. and easytag to tag stuff. everything has album artwork embedded, and is arranged like so: /home/brian/Music/artist/album/track title.mp3. nothing too fancy. rhythmbox does a good job syncing with my ipod too. and I just hit 34 GB tonight! I was wondering when I'd get past 30.
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13 years ago
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maple
i like large datasets
Asemi

I use rhythmbox now too. I used an emacs front end to MPD for a long time but rhythmbox works with my iPod touch so I just use it now.

I use Picard (by musicbrainz) to organize/tag everything now. I love it. I'm at 30GB right now
Chiken's avatar
13 years ago
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Chiken
Don't Let Your Walls Down
I use rhythm box on my centOS machine, but most of the time I still use foobar on my laptop and desktop. For tagging purposes I use MediaMonkey. As long as the current tags are in the ballpark for the right album MediaMonkey does a great job of finding and updating the info from amazon and embedding the album art.
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11 years ago
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Carpetsmoker
Martin
I now have >50% FLAC (51.4%). And everything below 256kbps has gone out (excepting some releases where I couldn't find a higher quality and still found worth keeping).

Total size: ~320GB
Total tracks: 17018 (1450 albums)
Total duration: 8wk 0d 1:20:34.236

I use foobar2000 for pretty much everything except initial tagging, I do that with MusicBrainz Picard.

Still haven't found decent software for UNIX/Linux systems :-(