i haven't used it as such for over a year! :(
you?
you?
probably even longer. I've been with OS X since I got my MacBook, which was a year and a few months ago.
I miss it sometimes, but my server/router/firewall still runs OpenBSD and I can never imagine it running anything else.
I miss it sometimes, but my server/router/firewall still runs OpenBSD and I can never imagine it running anything else.
^ Same Boat
been using openbsd on the laptop since i got it
i run it on two machines in my room, the closest i get to it is an ssh session per week.
i get so much more done on windows just because i end up spending countless hours trying to tweak free/net/open to my taste. besides, nothing bsd boots on my laptop (damn toshiba and their broken ide controllers).
i get so much more done on windows just because i end up spending countless hours trying to tweak free/net/open to my taste. besides, nothing bsd boots on my laptop (damn toshiba and their broken ide controllers).
OpenBSD 4.2 on my ThinkPad :)
netbsd has left my desktop computer :o
how come?
I don't miss BSD as a desktop that much anymore. I guess I'm just content with OS X. and I don't really have time to mess around on a desktop anymore.
I don't miss BSD as a desktop that much anymore. I guess I'm just content with OS X. and I don't really have time to mess around on a desktop anymore.
it's ntfs write impediment caused me to shitcan it :D now I'm running XP on my p3 600 :)
I run FreeBSD as desktop.
Works fine, only thing I miss on a rare occasion is proper flash 9 support...
Works fine, only thing I miss on a rare occasion is proper flash 9 support...
Any news with the open source Adobe thing?
Well, they only made documentation for the swf and flv file formats public, Adobe flashplayer is not opensource (as some people reported).
There are already some open-source flash players like gnash and swfdec, but I'm not sure how useful this information is to them, in fact the swfdec homepage (http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/wiki/) says:
"Adobe released the SWF specification. It's a very good technical introduction to Flash. Don't expect this to change the pace of Swfdec development though."
In any case, the last time I tried those players was about a year ago, and their functionality was severely limited ... Not sure how well they work now...
There are already some open-source flash players like gnash and swfdec, but I'm not sure how useful this information is to them, in fact the swfdec homepage (http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/wiki/) says:
"Adobe released the SWF specification. It's a very good technical introduction to Flash. Don't expect this to change the pace of Swfdec development though."
In any case, the last time I tried those players was about a year ago, and their functionality was severely limited ... Not sure how well they work now...
how about this: lashings for web devs that use flash
montana gots your boy
:k
:k
.. and why did you post that in this thread?
extradition for webdevlashings
ah
Right, the logic is .... unusual.
According to Adobe (http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetration.html) 95% of all people have flash 9 installed, and 98.8% flash 7 or newer.
I guess many web designers just don't care about the last 5% ....
By the way, when I use Windows, I have flash turned off by default, and enable it only when I need it, flash is not only slow, it also has serious accessibility and usability issues, put brainless web developers in the mix and the result is not pretty.
Oh, and another shortcoming is the lack of a proper VM ... Not a big one IMO but it can be awkward at times...
According to Adobe (http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetration.html) 95% of all people have flash 9 installed, and 98.8% flash 7 or newer.
I guess many web designers just don't care about the last 5% ....
By the way, when I use Windows, I have flash turned off by default, and enable it only when I need it, flash is not only slow, it also has serious accessibility and usability issues, put brainless web developers in the mix and the result is not pretty.
Oh, and another shortcoming is the lack of a proper VM ... Not a big one IMO but it can be awkward at times...
i am loving *nix so much right now
i am considering building a desktop *nix box this fall
i am considering building a desktop *nix box this fall
Other people web designers don't care about:
lynx users
mosaic users
netscape 4.7
opera users
aborigines
christians
lynx users
mosaic users
netscape 4.7
opera users
aborigines
christians
once my MacBook dies I might just buy a nice LCD and run BSD on some moderately crappy hardware. I might hang on to the Powermac G4 that I have just for this reason.
haha @ mosaic users
haha @ mosaic users
Actually, from the daemonforums access logs:
No mosiac, but IE 2 and Netscape 0.91 are pretty close :D
Versions Grabber Hits Percent
Msie 5.5 No 225 0 %
Msie 5.01 No 1 0 %
Msie 5.0 No 24 0 %
Msie 4.01 No 19 0 %
Msie 3.02 No 14 0 %
Msie 2.0 No 9 0 %
Firefox 1.0 No 180 0 %
Firefox 0.9.1 No 22 0 %
Firefox 0.9 No 11 0 %
Firefox 0.5.6 No 24 0 %
Firefox 0.10.1 No 13 0 %
Netscape 5.0 No 230 0 %
Netscape 4.79 No 18 0 %
Netscape 4.76 No 4 0 %
Netscape 4.75 No 4 0 %
Netscape 4.61 No 7 0 %
Netscape 4.0 No 14 0 %
Netscape 3.01 No 12 0 %
Netscape 0.91 No 12 0 %
Phoenix No 33 0 %
Firebird (Old Firefox) No 3 0 %
No mosiac, but IE 2 and Netscape 0.91 are pretty close :D
Versions Hits Percent
Windows 95 97 0 %
Windows 98 131 0 %
Windows NT 214 0 %
Windows Me 264 0 %
why are they all 0% ?
Because the total amount of hits is several hundred thousand....
Those stats were for Juli btw, Looking at the stats for June also find Netscape 0.6, and in May someone used Msie 1.0...
> I guess many web designers just don't care about the last 5% ....
when i worked as a full-time web dev, i worked for a start-up that had an extremely agile development process.
we ran qa for 70-85% of the market. we didn't care about the remaining 15-30%, because we could gain more revenue from coding new features for that big share than running qa for the small share.
so when it's extremely agile and you don't have enough devs, it's easy to forget about bullshit like safari and older browsers.
in fact, i only ran qa for firefox 2, msie 6, and msie 7! barebones, but the features on the 85%-share were bringing the money, not that extra 15% of the market. plus, for every feature added, redoing qa for that remaining 15% is such a pita!
when i worked as a full-time web dev, i worked for a start-up that had an extremely agile development process.
we ran qa for 70-85% of the market. we didn't care about the remaining 15-30%, because we could gain more revenue from coding new features for that big share than running qa for the small share.
so when it's extremely agile and you don't have enough devs, it's easy to forget about bullshit like safari and older browsers.
in fact, i only ran qa for firefox 2, msie 6, and msie 7! barebones, but the features on the 85%-share were bringing the money, not that extra 15% of the market. plus, for every feature added, redoing qa for that remaining 15% is such a pita!
Well, it depends on how you build a webpage, in my experience, if you build and design the page properly from the start, it's not so hard ...
But yes, just making a site 100% "IE" with tables and other ugly shit might be easier/faster depending on your amount of knowledge/experience ... And since browsers like Firefox, Opera, etc. all try to be "IE-compatible" there's actually a good chance it'll work in those browsers as well...
But in the case of flash, it's not just the 5% that doesn't have flash, it's also all other problems that come with flash ... There's another thread about that...
But yes, just making a site 100% "IE" with tables and other ugly shit might be easier/faster depending on your amount of knowledge/experience ... And since browsers like Firefox, Opera, etc. all try to be "IE-compatible" there's actually a good chance it'll work in those browsers as well...
But in the case of flash, it's not just the 5% that doesn't have flash, it's also all other problems that come with flash ... There's another thread about that...
> Well, it depends on how you build a webpage, in my experience, if you build and design the page properly from the start, it's not so hard
is it easy to get tranparent pngs working in msie 6? is it easy to use the same box model for both msie 6 and firefox 2? is it easy to program ajax calls in the same manner for msie 6 and firefox 2?
> But yes, just making a site 100% "IE" with tables and other ugly shit might be easier/faster depending on your amount of knowledge/experience
i didn't say that i made pages for msie. i use standards rigorously. but browsers still vary in how they utilize the standards. that's the main problem. and it would be extremely difficult to make a website that works with very old browsers.
> And since browsers like Firefox, Opera, etc. all try to be "IE-compatible" there's actually a good chance it'll work in those browsers as well...
i didn't know that firefox and opera try to be ie-compatible. i thought that they try to be standards-compliant. it's a pretty poor chance it'll even be close, once you recognize the differences in the box model and the javascript engine.
is it easy to get tranparent pngs working in msie 6? is it easy to use the same box model for both msie 6 and firefox 2? is it easy to program ajax calls in the same manner for msie 6 and firefox 2?
> But yes, just making a site 100% "IE" with tables and other ugly shit might be easier/faster depending on your amount of knowledge/experience
i didn't say that i made pages for msie. i use standards rigorously. but browsers still vary in how they utilize the standards. that's the main problem. and it would be extremely difficult to make a website that works with very old browsers.
> And since browsers like Firefox, Opera, etc. all try to be "IE-compatible" there's actually a good chance it'll work in those browsers as well...
i didn't know that firefox and opera try to be ie-compatible. i thought that they try to be standards-compliant. it's a pretty poor chance it'll even be close, once you recognize the differences in the box model and the javascript engine.
openbsd 4.4! wohooo!!
I need to upgrade my router.
Time to upgrade!
my router is at 4.2 :\
Nooooooo, why bluet, why?
because i'm a slacker
As in you run slackware?
no, as in i'm lazy
hahaha
No need to upgrade machines unless there's a good reason to ... I upgraded my router to 4.3 because 3.9 still had that IPv6 security hole in it and I wanted to experiment with IPv6 ... Otherwise I still would have been running 3.9.
i think the recent dns thing is a good reason to upgrade
I think there is only a risk if you actually run a nameserver.
...which i do
Makes sense.