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i'm drinking a big hole mythical white grand reserve. it's so good. strong (7%) and light and malty.
Dude, a tasty Belgian Strong Pale Ale (BSPA).
I'm so happy this thread was created. *beernerd*
I'm creeped out by that brewery though.
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1602/5047
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/618/22872
What??!?!
(also you can see one of my reviews on the second link)
why are you creeped out by big hole?
and what's your username on that site?
drop beer knowledge more often, bpa.
whoa.. i see why you're creeped out.
uname: antilochus
you can see my review on the guelph, ontario version of headstrong
beer is my second love, after whisky and before wine.
barley is just... so awesome.
Chiken
Don't Let Your Walls Down
beer is pretty damned amazing.
phi_
... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
nice.
i am endlessly intrigued by terroir and tradition in brewing and distilling. more anon.
The Yardhouse was out of the bayhawk chocolate porter that I wanted to try :\ I had a bayhawk hefeweizen instead, it was decent.
i didn't know brewers were all about terroir.
fuck hefs.
well, most aren't. most are 'about' tradition. but we say things that reference location: english stout, american ipa, belgian strong pale ale, munich helles, czech pilsner, etc. and sometimes it actually makes a difference, english barley for example. or american crazy hop strains like cascade or chinook hops. and in some cases it is unreplicable - like lambics.
terroir is odd in the brewing world. brewers try to make their product as uniform as possible over the years, while vintners openly declare vintages and variation is acceptable (within varietal, house, and regional style, of course). not to mention vintners use their own grapes which means climate, soil etc play a role. certainly the water used in brewing plays a role in the flavour (especially in distilling with peated water), but beyond that, the other ingredients: barley, hops, yeast have largely been treated as commodities that can be sourced from anywhere in the world.
and hefes rule! summer beer though. i'm sipping some aventinus weizenbock.
i thought that people say things like "czech pilsner" and "english stout" because of origination of brewing style (tradition?), not terroir.
and it makes more sense for brewers to be all about their yeast strains, not their sourcing. (although obviously both are important, i'd imagine them to be more protective of the former.)
hefes bore me. kinda like white alsace.
I generally like mild to dark beers, where should I start?
I feel like the lighter ones tend to make me want to vomit after having one, so I sorta stay away.
I didn't like 'Mad River Jamaican Red' very much. Has anyone tried this before?
lr > yes, the geographical terms are inconsistent in their application. however i'm pretty sure there are only two common strains of yeast used (lager yeast and ale yeast). lambics obviously use brettanomyces.
dp > america has the best small breweries in the world, and thanks to the liquor monopoly in the province i can only try maybe 0.2% of them. i'd start local.
however the darkness of the beer really doesn't refer to the level of flavour at all, it just refers to the colour of the initial malted barley used. i'd say a good measure of the level of flavour is the abv. e.g. guinness - very dark, light in flavour, low abv.
i'd start with some moderate styles - perhaps american pale ales (APAs), some richer lagers (brooklyn maybe), or some british stuff.
> i'd start local.
Bayhawk is the most local microbrewery I know of (I'm visiting my old residence in southern california) out of irvine, orange county. I'm heading back up to San Jose so we'll see what I can find up there. I don't know of any decent bar there for beer.
As far as the darkness of the beer with relation to flavor it's only really a loose pattern I've noticed. I'll check into those APA's though and keep the lagers and Brits in mind.
nestor > however i'm pretty sure there are only two common strains of yeast used
yeah, but afaik most breweries try to keep their particular strain from mutating and from being stolen.
Chiken
Don't Let Your Walls Down
had an amazing stout tonight.
what kind?
one of my housemates went to montreal this weekend
he is bringing me back some 'peche mortel' and a unibroue anniversary bspa
word
into my beer cellar! here be the links.
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1141/10325
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/22/35299
i'm going to drink the peche tonight, probably let the unibroue mellow out for 6-12 months
stopped by rogue brewing--
..
phi_
... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
Rogue Dead Guy is pretty damn good.
I just bought some Brutal Bitter. I'm jealous of you Americans and your great breweries. Honestly, I think US beer has eclipsed Germany as the 2nd best beer in the world.
phi_
... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
\m/
Too bad Germany has better vineyards than the US.
no way!!! california and the pacific northwest are awesome.
phi_
... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
I've never had a good wine from those regions ... but that's probably because I don't know which labels to look for. Suggestions?
dp > if you are still in southern california you should check out Stone Brewing, Port Brewing, AleSmith. These are exceptional places, known worldwide.
I'm not sure where you live most of the time but I can give you some good recommendations if you are near SF.
I am near SF!
I just visited southern calif. a few weekends ago when I tried that Bayhawk.
Well then.
Anchor Brewing is actually in SF.
I like Anchor Liberty Ale a lot - it is an American Pale Ale (APA) with a decent hop profile, lots of citrusy Cascades, bready maltiness too and 6% abv. You can probably easily find this. That is the only thing I can get in Ontario from your area, but I've heard about lots of other good stuff.
Some stuff you can probably easily find in specialty stores:
Lagunitas - Petaluma (a bit out of your way but you can probably get it in stores)
Russian River - Santa Rosa - this place is mad famous, also a little out of the way
Bear Republic - Healdsburg - even further, but tasty still
Sierra Nevada - Chico - I think it is the biggest craft brewer on the west coast, if you haven't had it yet I'd try their APA
Bah I'm just getting frustrated writing this to think about how much I am missing due to evil monopoly in my province.
If you are looking for a brewpub or even more local place (which is the way to go, imho) you'll have to tell me what city you're in :D
I'm in San Jose, I went with lr to SF the day before yesterday!
Chiken
Don't Let Your Walls Down
green beer rules
beer gets me wasted
Tried some Rogue 'Brutal Bitter' a few weeks ago... definitely recommend it if you like highly hopped styles
as in highly boil-hoppy. finish hops are pretty amazing
dry hops ftw
so expensive these days though, it's a shame
yeah
Chiken
Don't Let Your Walls Down
mmmmmmm kokanee gold
had some oak aged rye beer tonight. yum
went out and had some southern tier tripel & imperial red ale. then went to a house and had some glenmo 18 yo. too much to drink.
also clove cigarettes are good.
cloves ... really lol ... salmon fly honey rye (Madison river brewing co.) is badass
mmmm, rye beer.
was in toronto yesterday. went to what probably amounts to the best beer bar in canada, 'volo'. had a pint of denison's weissbier (BA says the best weiss IIRC), and then a pint of wellington russian imperial stout. yum.
the RIS is 8%, and i was on a largely empty stomach. i was worried they weren't going to let me on the train.
haha
i'm into imperial stouts
Cola Weizen!?!
i was in toronto again. drank some local craft ipa from cask. twas awesome.
also when i got back to london last night ended up on a patio. i'm going to miss summer weather here... $10 pitchers of pbr (good for canada...)
not working :(
works for me. weird.
phi_
... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
Works for me, too.
and it is a really, really cool brewery. perhaps i will try to acquire some when i am in the uk. check out their 'dark horizon'.
like if i were to make a brewery/distillery this is the kind of thing i would do.
must've been temporary or maybe blocked at school. works now
und? was denkst du
nichts besonderes. ich habe nie bier getrunken
schade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot
This is news to me, I saw it on a bottle of beer I picked up, it was in English though and it just said Germany Purity Law or somesuch. Interesting anyhow:
In the original text, the only ingredients that could be used in the production of beer were water, barley, and hops.
yeah it is pretty stupid imho, big reason why belgium owns germany in the beer scene.
also it is pretty weird in that it totally excludes traditional german styles like hefeweizen. and it doesn't allow addition of yeast. apparently back then they just let wild yeasts inoculate the wort. hardcore.
what did you get that referenced the reinheitsgebot? i think all german brews must but i'm still interested in what you got.
oh, and i had a fruit lambic today. twas quite good.
had two fruit lambics today - last post i had a framboise from a toronto craft, this time two imported belgians: a kriek and a lemon flavoured one. the lemon flavoured one was awesome. lambicy sourness + lemon sourness = extreme lambic.
phi_
... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
Had a pitcher of Shiner today while watching a movie ... weeeeee!
had a few pints of cask ale today.... one was a dark mild and the other a pale. 3.4% and 4%, respectively. yay session
so much cask beer here... i'm really liking it, even though a lot is very low strength. people think lager is strong beer here.... practically anything above 4.0% is labeled 'strong'. hahaha
i'm looking at a bottle of timothy taylor landlord - 'strong' pale ale - 4.1% abv. probably the best beer i've had since i've arrived.
> what did you get that referenced the reinheitsgebot? i think all german brews must but i'm still interested in what you got.
sadly I don't remember. I think it's because andyp and I got two or three bottled beers each a different kind.
> yay session
:)
picked up some 'mikkeller beer geek breakfast 2006' oatmeal stout - from denmark - and 'traquair jacobite' wee heavy - from scotland.
:o although mikkeller is danish this is brewed in norway!
Beer Geek Breakfast
Brewed at Nøgne Ø, Grimstad, Norway
Alc. 7.5% vol. 50 cl.
A stout brewed with: water, malt (pale, oat, smoked, caramunich, brown, pale chocolate and chocolate), roasted barley, flaked oats, molasses, hops (palisade, centennial and cascade), ale yeast and gourmet coffee. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day, many say, and if you are a beer geek there is no better way to start the day than with a powerful, complex morning stout. The unique mix of oats and coffee gives this beer large body and power, while the coffee, at the same time, creates a nice balance.
we have some crazy cuisine
sipping some great divide 'titan ipa'. SO GOOD. definitely in my top 5.
DaGr8Gatzby
Drunk by Myself
Blue Moon with an orange slice
Best Summer drink period.
phi_
... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
Got a pint of Guiness in front of me.
nothing wrong with that, it's my fallback here in the uk
but i hate diageo.
I'd take that gatz if it were by tap.
blue moon is brewed in canada by molson, they call it 'rickard's red' here.
for that marketing bs i refuse
here = there?
picked up some awesome stuff this week
goose island ipa
harpoon ipa
flying dog 'snake dog' ipa
jw lees harvest ale (english barleywine) 2006
nøgne ø imperial stout
more
poperings hommel bier (belgian ipa)
great divide hercules dipa
girardin gueuze 1882 (unfiltered gueuze)
ballards thin ice (english barleywine)
badger golden champion (english blond ale)
tomorrow... i am finding the mighty
WESTVLETEREN.
phi_
... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
Spec's not near my house has a GREAT beer selection.
Picked up some Dogfish Head 90 Minute IPA.
More to come.
DFH 90! nice!
I got two sixers recently... Goose Island IPA and Great Divide Titan IPA. All at the low price of $20 each. And yes, that is a low price.
asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
I am warming up to beer.
pounds, loonies, or usd?
lr > each sixer cost £10, or $20. so each beer is $3.30 or so. That is actually pretty cheap for here. Pints of InBev crap are generally £3.00-£3.50 or $6-$7. Bottles at decent beer bars are up to £5 or $10.
CAD1=USD1
asemi > what have you been trying?
asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
I had a Sam Adams Summer Ale last time I had a beer. it was pretty good.
tonight I had a Blue Moon and a Magic Hat. I liked the Blue Moon a lot better. I think these are all wheat beers. Blue Moon has been the best so far I think.
magic hat is a brewery, but all those are wheat (blue moon is a molsoncoors vanity label). that's a lot of wheat.
what have i had lately...
meantime eipa
great divide titan
great divide hercules
girardin gueuze 1882 (unfiltered)
goose island ipa
still haven't found the westvleteren - tomorrow?
asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
yeah I forgot the name of the Magic Hat I had. 97? I forget. it had a number.
asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
tried some Newcastle Brown Ale tonight. didn't like it much. then I had a glass of Blue Moon and tried to go back and have a sip of the Newcastle and it tasted like shit, haha. I also tried a few sips of Harpoon IPA and did not like it at all. too bitter!
newcastle is terrible! yeah. brewed with hfcs and junk.
phi_
... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
Finally got around to drinking that DFH 90m IPA. It was like drinking a plant. A really, really good plant.
Got an Imperial Stout waiting for me as well as some mock "Trappist-style" ale a friend got me.
very nice. i just polished off some goose island. seriously, america is a land 'o plenty. i'm colonizing y'all next (well, not texas. sf or ny?)
sf, ttf is mainly from the (north) west side!
although ny would be cool :)
yeah. when i say colonize i mean the US in general :)
beers i had tonight: for future reference.
- champsflower bitter
- saison 1900
- saison dupont
- adnams bitter
- lindemans faro
- cantillon gueuze bio
- houston tarton terror
DaGr8Gatzby
Drunk by Myself
Rep. South Side.
Shiner Boch. mmm so good.
going to the camra's british beer festival today :)
mission: belgium
TOP 25
Westvleteren 12
Westvleteren 8
Westvleteren Blonde
(Rochefort 10)
(Bernardus Abt 12)
Pannepot - Old Fisherman's Ale (Quad) (De Struise)
Cantillon - Saint Lamvinus (Fruit Lambic)
Black Albert (RIS) (De Struise)
(Rochefort 8)
Gouden Carolus Carolus D'Or - Cuvee Van De Keizer (BSDA) ('t Anker)#
(Duvel)
Fantome Saison (Saison) (Fantome)
Houblon Chouffe Dobbelen IPA Tripel (BIPA) (d'Achouffe)
Drie Fonteinen Oude Gueuze (Gueuze) (Drie Fonteinen)
Kriek De Ranke (Kriek) (De Ranke)
Avec Les Bons Voeux (Saison) (Dupont)
Fantome Saison D'Erezee - Ete (Saison) (Fantome)
Bernardus Tripel
Abbaye Des Rocs (BSDA) (Abbaye de Rocs)
Drie Fonteinen Schaerbeekse Kriek (Drie Fonteinen)
(Chimay Bleu)
(Westmalle Tripel)
Cantillon Lou Pepe (Kriek)
Tripel Karmeliet
Achelse Kluis (BSDA) (Achel)
BIPA
De Ranke XX Bitter (De Ranke)
Gouden Carolus Hopsinjoor ('t Anker)
Urthel Hop-It (De Leyerth)
Poperings Hommelbier (van Ecke)
BSDA
Des Rocs Triple Imperiale (Abbaye des Rocs)
BDG
Abbaye De Saint Bon-Chien (Des Franches-Montagnes)
3 Monts Grande Reserve Special Ale (Saint-Sylvestre)
La Bavaisienne (Theillier)
Dubbel
Bernardus Prior 8
Bernardus Pater 6
Cuvee Angelique (De Glazen Toren)
Achel 8 Brune
Corsendonk Pater
FLANDERS OUD BRUIN
Goudenband (Liefmans)
De Dolle Oerbier (vintage) (De Dolle)
Bellegems Bruin (Bockor)
Monk's Cafe Flemish Sour Red (Van Steenberge)
Petrus Aged Pale (Bavik)
Vondel (Riva)
Pilaarbijter Bruin (Bavik)
Liefmans Oud Bruin
FLANDERS RED ALE
Rodenbach Grand Cru
Panil Parriquee
Zoetzuur Flemish Ale (Proef)
Rodenbach Classic
Rodenbach Vin De Cereale
Duchesse De Bourgogne
Vichtenaar (Verhaeghe)
Mestreechs Aajt (Gulpener)
La Rouge Flamande (Thiriez)
GUEUZE
Girardin 1882 Black Label
Drie Fonteinen Oude Gueuze
Cantillon 100% Lambic
Boon Oude Geuze Mariage Parfait
Lindemands Gueuze Cuvee Rene
Oude Gueuze (Hanssens Artisanaal)
Oud Beersel Oude Gueuze Vieille
Girardin 1882 White Label
LAMBIK - FRUIT
Saint Lamvinus
Kriek De Ranke
Drie Fonteinen Schaerbeekse Kriek
Cantillon Lou Pepe - Kriek
Oud Beersel Oude Kriek
Cantillon Lou Pepe - Framboise
Cantillon Kriek 100% Lambik
Cantillon Vigneronne
Cantillon Rose de Gambrinus
Book Oude Kriek
LAMBIK - UNBLENDED
Geuze de Cam
Cantillon Lambic
Cantillon Iris
50 Degrees North 4 Degrees East (Cantillon)
Cantillon Broucsella (1900) Grand Cru
BSPA
De Proef Reserve Signature Ale
De Proef Flemish Primitive Wild Ale
La Chouffe
BIERE DE CHAMPAGNE
DeuS, Brut des Flandres (Bosteels)
Malheur Bier Brut (Landtsheer)
Brut Prestige (Dubuisson Freres)
Malheur Brut Noir (Landtsheer)
QUAD
Val-Dieu Grand Cru (Abbaye du Val-Dieu)
Pannepot Grand Reserva (De Struise)
Malheur 12 (De Landtsheer)
SAISON
Fantome Saison
Fantome Saison Erezee Ete
Avec Les Bons Voeux (Dupont)
Saison Dupont
TRIPEL
De Dolle Dulle Teve (De Dolle)
WIT
Jan De Lichte (De Glazen Toren)
La Grande Blance (Proef)
BDA
La Rulles Cuvee Meileurs Voeux (De Rulles)
Black (Brugge)
Grottenbier (Bernardus)
BPA
Westy Blonde
Orval
Stuiselensis (De Struise)
Zinnebir (De La Senne/Zenne)
Troubador (De Musketiers)
Taras Boulba (Senne/Zenne)
a lot of beer to drink in 3 days, but totally possible
andyp
nothing is wrong - what are you scared of?
egads
asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
had some Victory Sunrise tonight. didn't like it that much. I had a glass of it a while ago and thought I remembered it being good, but that was after a mint julep so my judgment may have been slightly clouded.
i've got a list of beer i want to try this weekend
it has 180 lines
had some great, great beer this weekend
highlights:
sint-sixtus westvleteren abt 12
st-bernardus tripel
cantillon iris 2005 (unblended lambic)
de struise pannepot vintage 2007
chimay blue vintage 2001
drie fonteinen oude gueuze
de struise "struiselensis"
rogue dead guy ale! so good
it's not bad :o
asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
I want beer right now.
I had some Tetley's Bitter (which you can apparently only find in the UK) at some British pub in Boston and it was pretty bad. it tasted really flat. not like, no carbonation, just the flavor was very flat. that's the only way I can think of to describe it.
I'm bummed that the Summer seasonal beers are gone now :(. I don't like the Fall stuff as much.
I want a beer right now.
Imma go drink some beer right now at the best pub in western Ontario
Imma go drink some beer right now at the best pub in western Ontario
had some sake tonight
that's sort of like beer
And in the last few days I've had a couple of these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%C3%9F
Filled with Hacker-Pschorr Oktoberfestbier
at the actual Oktoberfest in Munchen Maskrugs cost between €8.00 and €8.30 or about $12... I got them for a bit less. I'm happy
phi_
... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
A few friends are at the Oktoberfest in Rosenberg right now. Jealous. :(
good link if you are looking to learn beer stuffs
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/101/
BA is amazing, y'all should check out some of my reviews
http://beeradvocate.com/user/beer_reviews?ba=Antilochus
Nøgne Ø is coming to Ontario!
i still haven't had any!
asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
there is a place called Beer Works with a few locations around here and they brew their own beer.
I had two Boston Common Ales last night and one Boston Garden Golden.
BOSTON COMMON
Copper-colored and medium-bodied with a firm malt
sweetness and pronounced hop aromas.
BOSTON GARDEN GOLDEN
Canadian-style golden ale brewed with a smooth taste and crisp finish.
from
http://www.beerworks.net/_media/pdfs/monthly/ … _canal.pdf
asemi > Nice. Common sounds solid. I don't really like golden ales because ales without hop presence sort of freak me out when there is no real malt presence... 'smooth' and 'crisp' are words I'd rather not have in beer.
bluet > you don't even like beer!
phi_
... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
Drank
Woodchuck Draft Cider the other day. Not bad! Really appley.
asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
mmm la fin du monde
Had some Nøgne Ø last night. Imperial Stout, Indian Pale Ale, #100, Saison and another one I don't remember. :)
asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
I forgot about this thread. I've been drinking a lot of Brooklyn and Smuttynose beers lately.
nice one bluet. i've only had the imperial stout.
i've been drinking a lot of dogfish head and rogue
Today's "menu":
La Trappe
Iki
Korenwolf
asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
I hate my past self in this thread.
I have much better taste in beer now. draft smuttynose ipa pints for 4 dollars right next to my workplace is probably what I drink the most of. close second is probably the
pamola xtra pale ale from baxter brewing in maine. their ipa is also wicked good.
I've tried a million other things lately because the place I work just started carrying beer and wine fairly recently. I've been trying to get more into stouts. had a
mean old tom from maine beer company recently and it was really good.
the
mystic bridge ipa from cottrell brewing is probably better than the smuttynose ipa.
so much beer.
asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
ps - blue moon and boston beer works beer sucks.
asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
also they had
dogfish india brown ale on tap at this same place for a while (I think it was also 4 bucks) and it was great. then I guess the owner decided it was too "fancy."
Currently drinking a La Trappe dubbel
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/184/626 (Some reviewers mention it's from Belgium. It's not, it's Dutch).
Nice site btw!
nny
M̮͈̣̙̰̝̃̿̎̍ͬa͉̭̥͓ț̘ͯ̈́t̬̻͖̰̞͎ͤ̇ ̈̚J̹͎̿̾ȏ̞̫͈y̭̺ͭc̦̹̟̦̭̫͊̿ͩeͥ̌̾̓ͨ
belgium netherlands practically the same country
sometimes they even are.
man, i love belgium so much.
in other news, i got blasted on american IPA on cask and bourbon last night...
> belgium netherlands practically the same country
If you were any other man, I would kill you where you stand!
nny
M̮͈̣̙̰̝̃̿̎̍ͬa͉̭̥͓ț̘ͯ̈́t̬̻͖̰̞͎ͤ̇ ̈̚J̹͎̿̾ȏ̞̫͈y̭̺ͭc̦̹̟̦̭̫͊̿ͩeͥ̌̾̓ͨ
oddly enough Belgium is one of the few European countries in that area that does import dogfish head.
How odd!
phi_
... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
Belgium sounds awesome now.