so, looking at 4chan.org, /b/ is random and /r9k/ is robot9000. why would at&t want to block these two specifically and not any of the other 18+ boards?
because those who know 4chan know /b/ is where shit gets real real serious...even at&t! :-o
WTFFFFFF
I thought /b/ was just down again because of DDoS attacks.
Shit's gonna get real, son. Time for a war.
I thought /b/ was just down again because of DDoS attacks.
Shit's gonna get real, son. Time for a war.
> those who know 4chan
i've never visited 4chan.
potentially a single employee could have made this happen. i would guess the execs are oblivious.
i've never visited 4chan.
potentially a single employee could have made this happen. i would guess the execs are oblivious.
I haven't been able to access /b/ & /r9k/ in a few days ... if it was just an employee who did it, it should have been corrected by now.
yeah, you're probably right.
but it still could be a managerial decision, not necessarily an executive decision.
but it still could be a managerial decision, not necessarily an executive decision.
I've never gotten the appeal of 4chan... ok the numa cat thing was 'amusing'...
it's just an anarchy zone. well, there are easily more insane places than 4chan on the net, but 4chan gets the most traffic.
> but it still could be a managerial decision, not necessarily an executive decision.
There are confirmed blocks all over the country. :-/
> I've never gotten the appeal of 4chan... ok the numa cat thing was 'amusing'...
4chan ... more specifically, /b/, is just balls-to-the-wall insanity filtered through GIFs and JPGs and racism, all meant to provoke a response.
There are confirmed blocks all over the country. :-/
> I've never gotten the appeal of 4chan... ok the numa cat thing was 'amusing'...
4chan ... more specifically, /b/, is just balls-to-the-wall insanity filtered through GIFs and JPGs and racism, all meant to provoke a response.
I like to consider 4chan to be the cultural renaissance of our times. Just, without any limits.
That being said, I really am curious what sort of things are happening at AT&T this morning.
That being said, I really am curious what sort of things are happening at AT&T this morning.
"AT&T did not contact us prior to implementing the block."
why the fuck would at&t try to contact 4chan before blocking some of their ips? if i'm getting a ddos from a pool of ips, i'm not going to waste my time trying to call the ip block owner. i'm going to blacklist the ip addresses.
that statement makes me this that this "moot" guy thinks he has a right to have his website available to the entire internet.
really, i don't know why they would even care about censorship:
1. at&t blocks some or all of 4chan
2. 4chan users on at&t get a new isp
3. 4chan continues on as usual
you know, free markets are pretty cool.
why the fuck would at&t try to contact 4chan before blocking some of their ips? if i'm getting a ddos from a pool of ips, i'm not going to waste my time trying to call the ip block owner. i'm going to blacklist the ip addresses.
that statement makes me this that this "moot" guy thinks he has a right to have his website available to the entire internet.
really, i don't know why they would even care about censorship:
1. at&t blocks some or all of 4chan
2. 4chan users on at&t get a new isp
3. 4chan continues on as usual
you know, free markets are pretty cool.
uhm...
Top tier data providers aren't by any stretch of the imagination a free market. There's also very few peering providers... and pissing off one of them permanently breaks delivery of your content to hundreds of thousands of people. Not to mention it sets a horrendous legal precedent for the right to infringe upon the first amendment rights of people.
Gosh
Top tier data providers aren't by any stretch of the imagination a free market. There's also very few peering providers... and pissing off one of them permanently breaks delivery of your content to hundreds of thousands of people. Not to mention it sets a horrendous legal precedent for the right to infringe upon the first amendment rights of people.
Gosh
> Top tier data providers aren't by any stretch of the imagination a free market.
the article said it affected at&t's dsl customers, not all of at&t transit.
but, to be sure, this has absolutely nothing to do with first amendment rights. isps can (refuse to) deliver whatever data they wish, just like publishers can refuse to publish books on any basis.
the article said it affected at&t's dsl customers, not all of at&t transit.
but, to be sure, this has absolutely nothing to do with first amendment rights. isps can (refuse to) deliver whatever data they wish, just like publishers can refuse to publish books on any basis.
To be fair, there's a bit of a difference between a book publisher and an ISP.
right, but i don't think our government operates either. anyone can submit a request to arin for ips.
I wanna know why, at first, they were denying blocking img.4chan.org, then admitted it later on with the excuse of protecting their bandwidth from a DDoS?
they were denying it initially?
all of these 4chan people seem to be pure evil.
"In the end, this wasn't a sinister act of censorship, but rather a bit of a mistake and a poorly executed, disproportionate response on AT&T's part."
moot says that at&t's response was poorly executed and disproportionate. understandably, at&t wants to protect their network resources and their customers. moot acknowledges that their network hardware was broadcasting a shit storm because they, moot and 4chan, were using an admittedly adhoc method to divert a ddos.
"Unfortunately, as an unintended consequence of the method used, some Internet users received errant traffic from one of our network switches. A handful happened to be AT&T customers."
i support at&t's actions, and i hope i'm never the ceo of a large company that garners hatred for misunderstood actions. like i said before, i would guess that this action never made it up to the ladder to the ceo. who the fuck would think that the ceo manages ddos response? yet they made him the target.
[source: http://status.4chan.org/ ]
"In the end, this wasn't a sinister act of censorship, but rather a bit of a mistake and a poorly executed, disproportionate response on AT&T's part."
moot says that at&t's response was poorly executed and disproportionate. understandably, at&t wants to protect their network resources and their customers. moot acknowledges that their network hardware was broadcasting a shit storm because they, moot and 4chan, were using an admittedly adhoc method to divert a ddos.
"Unfortunately, as an unintended consequence of the method used, some Internet users received errant traffic from one of our network switches. A handful happened to be AT&T customers."
i support at&t's actions, and i hope i'm never the ceo of a large company that garners hatred for misunderstood actions. like i said before, i would guess that this action never made it up to the ladder to the ceo. who the fuck would think that the ceo manages ddos response? yet they made him the target.
[source: http://status.4chan.org/ ]
AT&T was denying the block at first. At least, that's what the AT&T rep I called said ("We're not blocking any traffic at all, blah blah blah.") and I've read anecdotal evidence to support this. It was later on they admitted it.
I called AT&T back later, hearing the rumors of it being about the whole DDoS incidents, and the AT&T rep admitted to their blocking img.4chan.org, but wouldn't/couldn't tell me why.
I think if it really was for DDoS, why not just say that? That's really why I'm kinda angry about what happened. It was just handled so poorly.
I called AT&T back later, hearing the rumors of it being about the whole DDoS incidents, and the AT&T rep admitted to their blocking img.4chan.org, but wouldn't/couldn't tell me why.
I think if it really was for DDoS, why not just say that? That's really why I'm kinda angry about what happened. It was just handled so poorly.
Could just be a problem getting their tech guys to changelog stuff.
it's too bad they weren't intentionally blocking 4chan. shit like that needs to be flushed down the drain.
i can imagine ttf being a 4chan target tomorrow.
i wonder how amazon aws handles ddos. :o
i wonder how amazon aws handles ddos. :o