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17 years ago
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thinkpad x61s - $1,215.05 (edu)
12.1" UltraLight XGA TFT
Intel Core 2 Duo L7500 LV (1.6GHz, 4MB L2, 800MHz FSB), 2x3 UltraConnect II antenna
512 MB PC2-5300 SDRAM DDR2 667MHz SODIMM Memory (1 DIMM)
80GB Hard Disk Drive, 5400rpm Serial ATA (2.5")
Integrated Bluetooth PAN
ThinkPad 11a/b/g Wi-Fi wireless LAN Mini-PCIe US/EMEA/LA/ANZ
ThinkPad X60s Series 8 cell High Capacity Battery
lucas's avatar
17 years ago
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i guess the thinkpad x61 tablet can come with a lcd that rocks 1400x1050.
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17 years ago
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DaGr8Gatzby
Drunk by Myself
Jesus. This is within my budget. Maybe replace the hard drive. Does IBM have a store on campus? Or is this strictly an online discount with education verification?
lucas's avatar
17 years ago
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lucas
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don't know about the campus stores... this is just an online discount with very little (if any) verification
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17 years ago
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dannyp
dʎuuɐp
and you get vista...sdhc ftw
lucas's avatar
17 years ago
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lucas
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and bloat ftw

i'd wipe it and install xp pro
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17 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
if BSD ran seamlessly on these TPs I would hesitate very little to get one.
 
17 years ago
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Mathew
Zombie Flesh Eaters
You really want a kick-ass laptop? Check out this one I just recently purchased:

<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220142">Here</a>
 
17 years ago
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Mathew
Zombie Flesh Eaters
God damnit
bluet's avatar
17 years ago
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bluet
OpenBSD 4.1 runs perfectly on my x60s. :)
ozntz's avatar
17 years ago
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ozntz
toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
i was thinking a different tp when u posted this hahaha
nestor's avatar
17 years ago
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nestor
nestor
do tell bluet
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17 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
how does stuff like APM and ACPI work, bluet? sound? wifi? I would seriously consider getting one if 4.1 worked seamlessly.
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17 years ago
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dannyp
dʎuuɐp
how about a thinkpad reserve?

http://www.thinkpadreserve.com/
nestor's avatar
17 years ago
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nestor
nestor
hahahahha whoa...
 
17 years ago
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dbrown
seriously...? leather?
i foresee heat issues.
lucas's avatar
17 years ago
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lucas
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i guess you didn't read about how their world renowned engineers made cooling work with the leather.

i tried to "reserve" one, but i needed an invitation code. :(
 
17 years ago
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arun
keep smiling !
Asus has leather bound laptops.
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17 years ago
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dannyp
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link for the lazy?
 
17 years ago
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arun
keep smiling !
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/04/27/asus_ … er_laptop/
lucas's avatar
16 years ago
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16 years ago
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lucas
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since i got rid of my x60s, i've been thinking about a t61. they have a coupon code for 10% off, and it even works on the education site!

better processor, better graphics, better wifi, 15.4", $1000:

ThinkPad T61 6459CTO
Intel Core 2 Duo processor T9300 (2.5GHz 800MHz 6MB L2)
Windows Vista Home Basic
15.4 WSXGA+ TFT (1680x1050, 200 nit, 500:1, LG-Philips)
NVIDIA Quadro NVS 140M (128MB)
2 GB PC2-5300 DDR2 SDRAM 667MHz SODIMM Memory (2 DIMM)
160GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo 24X/24X/24X/8X Max, Ultrabay Slim
ThinkPad 11a/b/g Wi-Fi
Integrated Bluetooth PAN
6 cell Li-Ion Battery
$1,117.90 after educational discount
$1,006.11 after coupon code USXDADSGRADS

better processor, better graphics, better wifi, 14.1", $1000:

ThinkPad T61 7662CTO
Intel Core 2 Duo processor T9300 (2.5GHz 800MHz 6MB L2)
Windows Vista Home Basic
14.1 WXGA+ TFT (1440x900, 200 nit)
NVIDIA Quadro NVS 140M (128MB)
2 GB PC2-5300 DDR2 SDRAM 667MHz SODIMM Memory (2 DIMM)
160GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo 24X/24X/24X/8X Max, Ultrabay Slim
ThinkPad 11a/b/g Wi-Fi
Integrated Bluetooth PAN
6 cell Li-Ion Battery
$1,079.41 after educational discount
$971.47 after coupon code USXDADSGRADS

better processor, worse graphics, worse wifi, 15.4", $900:

ThinkPad T61 6465CTO
Intel Core 2 Duo processor T9300 (2.5GHz 800MHz 6MB L2)
SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop version 10
15.4 WSXGA+ TFT (1680x1050, 200 nit, 500:1, LG-Philips)
Intel GMA X3100 GM965
2 GB PC2-5300 DDR2 SDRAM 667MHz SODIMM Memory (2 DIMM)
160GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo 24X/24X/24X/8X Max, Ultrabay Slim
Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
Integrated Bluetooth PAN
6 cell Li-Ion Battery
$993.21 after educational discount
$893.89 after coupon code USXDADSGRADS

worse processor, worse graphics, worse wifi, 14.1", $800:

ThinkPad T61 7658CTO
Intel Core 2 Duo processor T7500 (2.2GHz 800MHz 4MBL2)
SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop version 10
14.1 WXGA+ TFT (1440x900, 200 nit)
Intel GMA X3100 GM965
2 GB PC2-5300 DDR2 SDRAM 667MHz SODIMM Memory (2 DIMM)
160GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo 24X/24X/24X/8X Max, Ultrabay Slim
Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
Integrated Bluetooth PAN
6 cell Li-Ion Battery
$883.47 after educational discount
$795.12 after coupon code USXDADSGRADS
lucas's avatar
16 years ago
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lucas
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okay, i just bought this for $999.70:

ThinkPad T61 6459CTO
Intel Core 2 Duo processor T9300 (2.5GHz 800MHz 6MB L2)
15.4 WSXGA+ TFT (1680x1050, 200 nit, 500:1, LG-Philips)
NVIDIA Quadro NVS 140M (128MB)
2 GB PC2-5300 DDR2 SDRAM 667MHz SODIMM Memory (2 DIMM)
160GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo 24X/24X/24X/8X Max, Ultrabay Slim
ThinkPad 11a/b/g Wi-Fi
Integrated Bluetooth PAN
6 cell Li-Ion Battery
asemisldkfj's avatar
16 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
booo, huge display! :)

nah, 15 isn't bad. that's a pretty sweet deal it seems.
nestor's avatar
16 years ago
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nestor
nestor
nice, hope it works out for you and you don't have to return it.

what are you going to run on it, windoze? hardware looks like it could run some alternative os, the atheros is nice.
lucas's avatar
16 years ago
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is thinkpad branded wifi always atheros? it has been in my experience.

i'll load windows for sure (i find photoshop and acrobat professional useful). i might also load freebsd 7.
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16 years ago
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nestor
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thinkpad branded wifi is always atheros, i just didn't get a thinkpad wifi.
lucas's avatar
16 years ago
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16 years ago
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lucas
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\o/

FUCK YES--ATHEROS!

..

why didn't you get atheros? you wanted to meet the specs for centrino or something?
nestor's avatar
16 years ago
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nestor
nestor
i guess i didn't know, hahaha
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16 years ago
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bluet
i wish you could get them with ralink wifi
lucas's avatar
16 years ago
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lucas
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i ordered my cousin a thinkpad on friday (6/6) afternoon. i got the linux version (intel gma x3100, intel 802.11abg centrino). its eta was 3-4 weeks when i ordered it. it shipped yesterday.

i chose the free ups ground shipping option. it's coming from hong kong via ups express (1-3 days with morning delivery).

hopefully mine ships this week as well!
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16 years ago
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nestor
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what do you mean by linux version? comes preloaded with suse?
lucas's avatar
16 years ago
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lucas
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yeah! it saves you money by letting you have suse instead of a windows license! unfortunately if you opt for linux, you have to get intel gma graphics and intel wifi.

my thinkpad shipped today! woo!
lucas's avatar
16 years ago
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lucas
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i still have one qualm with thinkpads--you have to buy a dock to get a digital video output. >:0
lucas's avatar
16 years ago
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lucas
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i got her linux thinkpad today. suse is kinda fun... and bulky.

maybe i'll get mine tomorrow!
nestor's avatar
16 years ago
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nestor
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yeah i ran suse for a while on my x60. its so... euro
lucas's avatar
16 years ago
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lucas
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i got mine this afternoon. it's pretty nice. too bad it's fat like every 15.4" widescreen. it is pretty thin and light, all things considered.
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16 years ago
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nestor
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maybe return for 14.1"?
lucas's avatar
16 years ago
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lucas
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maybe, but i do appreciate the intense resolution (1680x1050).
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16 years ago
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lucas
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my thinkpad makes terrible noises sometimes.

also, the grippy rubber on the lid has already worn off on the corners!
DaGr8Gatzby's avatar
16 years ago
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DaGr8Gatzby
Drunk by Myself
TP's suck :(
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16 years ago
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bluet
sounds just like mine, lucas
lucas's avatar
16 years ago
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lucas
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i put a dent in my thinkpad today. i jumped over a cinder block wall, and my messenger bag hit the edge.
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16 years ago
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nestor
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battle scar, no worries
lucas's avatar
16 years ago
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lucas
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magnesium rollcage ftw, i guess. it only dented in 1 or 2mm.

haha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXMAL-lWQBM
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16 years ago
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nestor
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hardcore.
lucas's avatar
16 years ago
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lucas
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i like the laptop, with a few exceptions:
(a) terrible noises come from the heatsink/fan area when not powered via ac.
(b) the screen is poorly calibrated, and i don't have a colorimeter/calibration device.
(c) it keeps switching to 40hz interlaced, which my eyes do not appreciate.

a note on the terrible noises:

Anyways, the CPU deeper sleep I believe is related to the hissing / buzzing that most people are complaining about with their Core 2 Duo laptops. It is related to the different power states that the CPU operates in.


http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=2175874

it's not an underclocking method. it is under the management option. basically, what it does is run a command before the computer can enter one of the deep sleep states......it's going in and out of those deeper sleep states that causes the buzzing noise. however, it does affect battery life 20 minutes or so....


http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=3145857

lenovo forum thread:
http://forums.lenovo.com/lnv/board/message?board.id=R_Series_Thinkpads&thread.id=159&view=by_date_ascending&page=1


intel page on deeper sleep states:
http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/CS-028739.htm
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16 years ago
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follow up!

(a) this problem may be intel's, or it may be lenovo's. who knows? maybe i'll try disabling the deeper sleep modes.
(b) this sucks, but it is an industry practice to ship lcds uncalibrated. i wiped the os anyway, so if there was a profile just for me, i lost it. i'll try to find a calibrator.
(c) it seems that the power manager doesn't bump the refresh rate back up to 60hz once the ac adapter is plugged in. that sucks. but i created my own profile that never switches to 40hz in the first place.
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weird. my tp breathes hot air, but it isn't noisy.

also, i still don't have a new battery for my x60.. i think i'll just get an iphone :)
lucas's avatar
16 years ago
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i have a core 2 duo T9300. it's kind of a beast. so i guess when mine steps down voltage considerably, it whines and makes weird noises.

your x60 has a little low voltage core, so maybe that's why it doesn't make tons of noise on battery. it's designed for the low voltage! (it's lovin' it!)
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16 years ago
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well, it isn't ULV - i have an x60, not x60s. but you're right, it isn't as beastly.
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16 years ago
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bluet
i wonder if i could make the cpu run so slowly that the fan on my x60s wouldn't need to start at all. it's quite annoying
lucas's avatar
14 years ago
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lucas
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yes, it is time for a new tp!

i'm eagerly awaiting my x200s.
lucas's avatar
14 years ago
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lucas
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i'm getting the little bro today.

what to name it, though? D:

i'm still partial to penelope (πηνελόπη).

<3
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14 years ago
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nny
M̮͈̣̙̰̝̃̿̎̍ͬa͉̭̥͓ț̘ͯ̈́t̬̻͖̰̞͎ͤ̇ ̈̚J̹͎̿̾ȏ̞̫͈y̭̺ͭc̦̹̟̦̭̫͊̿ͩeͥ̌̾̓ͨ
I'd go with ZORKONTHEDESTROYER
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14 years ago
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lucas
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that's not very sexy (to me, anyway)

do you sleep with your thinkpad(s)?

'cause i do
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nny
M̮͈̣̙̰̝̃̿̎̍ͬa͉̭̥͓ț̘ͯ̈́t̬̻͖̰̞͎ͤ̇ ̈̚J̹͎̿̾ȏ̞̫͈y̭̺ͭc̦̹̟̦̭̫͊̿ͩeͥ̌̾̓ͨ
Sorry I only have a lenovo ideabook s10. I am pretty sure it's illegal to sleep with it in every state but arkansas.
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ok, i got my x200s. it's alright.

ddi think the keyboard on the x60s was better. this one feels shallow (short throw).

i got the upgraded lcd with the higher resolution and improved roll cage. it can be turned up to a brightness level so high that i find it uncomfortable. the viewing angles are awful--the vertical viewing angle is so bad that if i move to see the bottom of the screen with good contrast, then the top of the screen loses good contrast. i can't see the entire screen with good contrast at once.

the lid is not very sturdy. it flexes a decent amount. it even flexes more than bsdlite's lid which was not upgraded.
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14 years ago
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bsdlite
thinks darkness is his ally
and my lid has a "pouch" and a horizontal rule on the cover <3
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14 years ago
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Carpetsmoker
Martin
We've had a couple of T400/T500's at work in the last few weeks. The quality really is worse than the T61 series. Although still better than most other notebooks out there.
lucas's avatar
14 years ago
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lucas
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:(

the build quality of the x200s is equivalent to that of the x60s.
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14 years ago
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i charged my x200s last night while i slept. i've been using it all day, i have over an hour of battery life remaining (at full brightness), and i'm getting tired.

it's pretty sweet that i can charge it overnight and get all-day use from it!
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14 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
someone buy my tp.
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14 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
also, extremely long battery life rules.
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14 years ago
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dannyp
dʎuuɐp
asemi: which do you have?
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14 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
T61
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14 years ago
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Fsmart
i have joined the tp crowd. just ordered x200s. should be delivered either the 24th or 25th.
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14 years ago
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Fsmart
damn, it seems the intel turbo memory has pretty bad reviews. if i get it pulled, it may delay the shipment by up to a week. oh well, a week delay costs more than the $50 that having the flash chip pulled is worth. if nothing else, I can use it as a fast linux boot drive.
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14 years ago
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Martin
Intel Turbo Memory is kind of worthless. If you have 3-4GB of memory you'll almost never need it ...
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14 years ago
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lucas
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yo fsmart, what are the specs for the tp you ordered?

--

damn there are a lot of various thinkpad/x200s threads that are all blurred in topicality.
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14 years ago
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Fsmart
Processor1 Intel Core2 Duo processor SL9400 (1.86GHz, 6MB L2, 1066MHz FSB)
Operating system Genuine Windows 7 Professional 64
Operating system language - Genuine Windows 7 Professional US English
Recovery DVD Microsoft Windows XP Professional US English RDVD
Display type 12.1 WXGA+ (1440x900) LED backlight with the Next Generation ThinkPad Roll Cage, 3x3 UltraConnect ll antenna

System graphics Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD
Total memory8 4 GB PC3-8500 DDR3 SDRAM 1067MHz SODIMM Memory (2 DIMM)
Keyboard Keyboard US English
Pointing Device TrackPoint
Hard Drive 320GB Hard Disk Drive, 5400rpm
Intel® Turbo Memory hard drive cache - Intel Turbo Memory 2GB
System expansion slots 5-1 Media Card Reader and Modem
Bluetooth Integrated Bluetooth PAN
Wireless Card ThinkPad WiFi (BGN)
Battery ThinkPad X200 Series 9 cell Li-Ion Battery
Power cord Country Pack North America with Line cord & 65W AC adapter
Language Pack Win7 Language Pack US English
Price before tax - $1,179.24